Archive for August, 2018

October 25 on the Global Edmonton Morning News

Friday, August 24th, 2018

Wednesday, October 26, 2011  

 

Studio guests:

Respiratory Therapy Week
Cheryl Feldstein – The Lung Association, AB & NWT
Andrea Odenback – Respiratory Therapist, Covenant Health
“Spirometry Day”
9:00 am – 9:00 pm
Kingsway Mall
780-488-6995 ext. 2236 

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

Mayor Stephen Mandel

The downtown arena debate 

Ask the Doctor
Dr. Shelley Duggan
Topic: COPD & other respiratory conditions

Dr. Ted Purcell

Edmonton Humane Society

Music from today’s show:
A Criminal Mind – Styx
American Woman – The Guess Who
Beat It – Michael Jackson
Beautiful Monster – Ne Yo
Between Planets – Jesus & Mary Chain
Changes – David Bowie
Choices – Hoosiers
DJ Got Us Fallin’ In Love – Usher
Do You Wanna Dance – The Ramones

This Day In History:
Monster Mash – Bobby Pickett & The Crypt Kickers

Premier waffles on judicial inquiry into Alberta health-care allegations

Friday, August 24th, 2018

EDMONTON – Premier Alison Redford took a step back Tuesday from a key campaign promise to call a judicial inquiry into allegations of political coercion in the health system, suggesting there may be another way to accomplish the same task.

Specifically, Redford indicated that a beefed up and fully independent Health Quality Council could potentially investigate the issues as effectively as an inquiry, a suggestion that drew immediate protests from opposition parties.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

“One of the questions I want to ask is whether or not we can accomplish the same thing through an independent health quality council,” Redford said Tuesday at the legislature.

“But I believe the legislation we’ll introduce this fall will give the health quality council the ability to have all of the same powers and be independent to ensure the same job is being accomplished.”

The health quality council is already conducting a probe into alleged intimidation of doctors, with a final report expected in February. But opposition parties, who raised those allegations, have argued the current structure of the agency makes it too weak and too tied to the government to lead a proper investigation.

Redford initially supported the decision to have the health quality council alone delve into the accusations, but then in June new allegations of queue-jumping came to light from former Alberta Health Services president Dr. Stephen Duckett. Duckett said he was told the province’s former regional health authorities commonly received requests to have politically connected people bypass waiting lists for medical care.

After hearing the allegations, Redford called for a judicial inquiry to look into all the various claims of political meddling. She said the inquiry was needed to restore public confidence in the health system, though the promise conflicted with the views of then-premier Ed Stelmach, then-health minister Gene Zwozdesky, and some of the candidates in the Tory leadership race.

Even after winning the race, some in her caucus continued to oppose the move. Finance Minister Ron Liepert, a former health minister, said earlier this month that he would fight the idea.

Redford also promised during the leadership campaign to make the health quality council more independent so that it would report to the legislature directly rather than to the health minister. She said the government plans to introduce legislation to that effect, and potentially give the council more powers, when the fall session resumes in late November.

Opposition parties have been clamouring for a more robust health quality council, but said Tuesday such a move does not equal a judicial inquiry.

“In no way can you make the assertion that the health quality council will ever have the independence it needs in order to get to the bottom of this, and it should get to the bottom of this,” said NDP Leader Brian Mason, suggesting the council is too linked with top health officials.

“Those (health) ministers need to be called (to testify) and they can’t be called by the health quality council no matter what changes you might want to propose in terms of their power. There’s some tricky business afoot with the premier here.”

He said a major difference with a public inquiry is that it would be led by a judge, who would have subpoena powers and would approach the issues as an objective outsider.

“If the government truly wants to win the confidence of the public, putting this episode behind us, they need to make sure that it not only is objective, but it’s seen to be objective. I don’t think the health quality council can do that at all.”

Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said Redford’s comments represent a broken promise. She said even a beefed up health quality council likely won’t be enough to convince health professionals to come forward to testify about episodes of alleged coercion.

“I think they want to see Ms. Redford keep her promise for an independent judicial inquiry, to provide that safe environment for them to come forward knowing they’re not going to be bullied or punished for it.”

Added Liberal Leader Raj Sherman: “She has flip-flopped, she is ducking and hiding. Albertans need answers. Unless somebody is held accountable and ample evidence is brought forward, we’re not going to get to the truth.”

Health and Wellness Minister Fred Horne offered a somewhat different view than Redford, telling the legislature Tuesday that the government was still committed to a “fully independent” inquiry, but it would have to wait until the health quality council report on doctor intimidation is complete. That means the inquiry, should it proceed, would not be finished until well after the next provincial election, which Redford has said would likely come in June 2012 or earlier.

“The independent inquiry will happen regardless (of the health quality council findings),” Horne said. “But both processes would be looking at the same allegations, so I think it’s important we give the health quality council a chance to complete its work, and that will inform how the inquiry will be set up.” 

Calgary school bans scary, violent Halloween costumes

Friday, August 24th, 2018

CALGARY – Children wanting to wear scary, violent or blood-drenched costumes will have to trade them in for more caring and community-friendly outfits at two public elementary schools this Halloween.

The principal of Colonel Walker and Ramsay schools said her staff has chosen to use the day normally known for scares and frights as an opportunity to teach community values.

But some parents say it’s political correctness gone too far.

“I don’t want to bash the school but I do think it’s a little bit silly,” said Julie Van Rosendaal, whose six-year-old son attends Ramsay school in Grade 1. “I think everyone’s wondering what the parameters of a caring costume are.”

Students at both schools will attend caring assemblies in the morning and can wear their chosen costumes all day long on Monday. But those outfits cannot include masks, weapons or any violent imagery.

Van Rosendaal and other parents say they have no problem with eliminating gory costumes and outfits that glorify violence, but they say the new rules go too far in limiting what their kids can wear.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

“I don’t really see, on the whole, the benefit of this,” said Mike de Boer, chairman of the parent council at Colonel Walker. “It’s just another layer of control and a restriction on what the kids want to be.”

Michelle Speight, who serves as principal for both inner city schools, said the move is designed to accommodate all children, including those with cultural backgrounds that don’t celebrate Halloween. It’s also an attempt by staff to prevent students from wearing costumes inappropriate for young children.

“You can still be creative, in fact we encourage that, think of all the things you can be in a non-violent way,” said Speight. “Ones that exemplify caring for other people and be respectful of other people.”

Schools set their own policies around celebrating Halloween in both the Calgary Board of Education and Catholic School District. Some encourage students to dress in black and orange, while others don’t allow costumes at all or schedule a professional development day to avoid the issue altogether.

What do you think of the decision to ban violent Halloween costumes at some Calgary schools? 

Russia’s Rosneft declares third-quarter net profit up 10 per cent to $2.8 billion

Friday, August 24th, 2018

MOSCOW – Russia’s largest oil company said Wednesday its net profit in the third quarter of the year rose nearly 10 per cent to reach $2.8 billion despite higher taxes.

Rosneft said in a report that its profit rose from $2.6 billion in July-September last year to $2.8 billion in the third quarter this year. Revenues went up nearly 60 per cent, to $24.6 billion.

But Rosneft’s net profit remained unchanged compared to the second quarter.

Analysts had expected the oil firm to post weak results because this is the first full quarter since its key new field, Vankor, lost its export duty preferences.

Rosneft is the first major Russian oil company to report third-quarter results this year.

Alexei Kokin from Moscow-based investment bank UralSib said in a note to investors earlier this week that he expected the state-owned producer to do worse than most other companies in quarter-on-quarter terms as its tax burden increased to the industry average.

But the higher taxes were offset by a weaker exchange rate of the ruble and strong production results. Rosneft’s crude output rose by 3 per cent compared to a year ago.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

The Moscow-based company in August teamed up with U.S. company Exxon Mobil in a multibillion-dollar deal to develop offshore oil fields in the Russian Arctic – one of the last regions with immense and untapped hydrocarbon deposits – in return for access to resources in the Gulf of Mexico.

Rosneft also announced Wednesday that it had hired a BP executive to advise its chief executive on offshore issues. Laurence Bates previously served as a vice-president at BP’s Russian venture, TNK-BP.

Rosneft quoted its CEO Eduard Khudainatov as saying that this appointment is designed to boost the company’s performance and “ensure a rapid switchover to the best global business practices.”

The government has recently confirmed its commitment to drive down its share in the company by selling 15 per cent next year for about $6.7 billion, but it intends to keep control.

Rosneft’s shares were up 3.4 per cent on the MICEX stock exchange Wednesday evening, less than an hour before the closing.

B.C. babysitter charged with second-degree murder

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

VANCOUVER -A Cranbrook, B.C., babysitter has been charged with second-degree murder in the drowning death of 19-month-old Iyanna Teeple.

Tammy Marion Bouvette, 28, was charged after the infant was found face down in a bathtub in Bouvette’s townhouse on May 26.

According to police, Bouvette called emergency crews at around noon. When they arrived, they discovered the baby girl, who wasn’t breathing, said RCMP spokesman Cpl. Chris Faulkner.

Iyanna was taken to East Kootenay Regional Hospital and then flown to Calgary Children’s Hospital, where she was taken off life support on May 28.

Though Iyanna was declared brain-dead a day earlier, she remained on life support for organ-donation purposes, Iyanna’s mother, Renee Savarie, told The Sun on Tuesday.

A forensic autopsy confirmed that she had died from drowning.

Police said Iyanna had been dropped off at Bouvette’s townhouse a few hours before she was found in the tub. The home is located in a modest area of the southeastern British Columbia town, on a street lined with low-rise apartments, duplexes, and detached homes.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

“We were at work at the time,” Savarie said, adding that she’s known Bouvette for a couple of years. “I met Tammy at a pre-natal group,” she said, explaining that they were acquaintances, “not really friends.”

Bouvette, who has four children of her own, sometimes watched Iyanna for Savarie and her husband, Jason Teeple, when Savarie’s mother or their regular sitter were unavailable.

Asked about the charges, Savarie said, “You don’t leave a baby alone in the tub. That’s every mother’s common sense.”

After interviewing Bouvette several times following Iyanna’s death, police collected enough evidence to indicate that foul play was involved, Faulkner said. On June 24, they sent the investigation to Crown counsel, who on Monday approved a charge of second-degree murder.

Faulkner said police wouldn’t be releasing many details about the case. “I’m glad it’s slowly coming to an end,” Savarie said. “We just want to get it over with.”

Iyanna, an only child, “was very polite, happy and really a great baby,” Savarie said.

“She didn’t like to see people upset, so she would do something silly to make you smile. It’s just been an emotional roller-coaster for us. … It was her birthday on the 14th of October,” she said. “We’re planning to have more kids,” she added.

Renee’s younger brother, Mike Savarie, also of Cranbrook, said his niece “was the happiest little thing around. She was always smiling.”

He said the family hopes the trial won’t drag on so his sister and her husband can finally find a way to move on from the tragedy.

Bouvette appeared in Cranbrook Provincial Court Tuesday, but will have to appear in front of a Supreme Court Justice for a bail hearing.

According to the Criminal Code, second-degree murder carries a sentence of life in prison, though the judge can set parole eligibility anywhere between 10 and 25 years. Generally, the charge applies to homicide carried out intentionally but without premeditation.

Maintenance work curbs MEG third-quarter productions; full-year targets intact

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

CALGARY – MEG Energy Corp. said Wednesday its output was reduced during the third-quarter as its Christina Lake oilsands project underwent three weeks of maintenance downtime, but that it is on track to meet its full-year production targets.

The Calgary-based oilsands operator (TSX:MEG) produced an average of 20,945 barrels of bitumen per day between July and September, higher than the 19,339 barrels it churned out during the same period a year ago, when maintenance work was also undertaken.

During the first nine months of 2011, MEG produced an average of 25,450 barrels per day, and remains on track to meet its guidance range of 25,000 to 27,000 barrels.

“This quarter was a very busy one for us, and it was marked by the successful completion of a full plant turnaround at our Christina Lake facilities in late September,” said chief executive officer said Bill McCaffrey.

“And I’m happy to report that the shut down was completed in a safe and efficient manner with costs coming in as planned.”

MEG shares rose more than 7.5 per cent, or $3.21, to $45.81 Wednesday afternoon on the Toronto Stock Exchange.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

McCaffrey made his remarks on a conference call with analysts to discuss the company’s results during the third quarter, in which MEG booked net and operating losses.

McCaffrey likened a plant turnaround to a driver taking his or her car to the mechanic for regular tune-ups. First, the company inspects its systems for possible problems, then cleans them out and replaces any parts to ensure they keep working smoothly.

“We found that our equipment was in good shape, which is a strong indication that our existing operations are being very effective. Basically it tells us that our field facilities’ designs and operations are quite robust,” McCaffrey said.

Regulators require oilsands companies to undergo regular turnarounds. And since MEG has got a number of expansions in the hopper, future downtime will be needed to make tweaks along the way.

But in time, McCaffrey said it’s possible that such shutdowns will become less frequent – so long as MEG has gained enough confidence its various components can go a longer time without being cleaned or replaced.

“It is our goal, as we go forward, to reduce the amount of time and potentially the frequency of the turnarounds, and our guys are actively working on that.”

Also Wednesday, MEG recorded a net lost $115.2 million, or 60 cents per share, in the three months ended Sept. 30, compared to earnings of $21.2 million or 11 cents a year earlier.

MEG said its third-quarter loss reflected an unrealized foreign exchange loss of $101.4 million in the latest quarter, compared to a foreign exchange gain of $28.8 million in the same year-earlier period.

Stripped of the effects of unusual items, MEG reported an operating loss of $5.4 million, or three cents per share, compared to profits of $6.1 million, or three cents per share a year ago.

MEG attributed the operating loss to higher interest costs on its debt, higher staffing levels as it undergoes its Christina Lake expansions and higher costs as a result of the maintenance work.

The company develops oilsands deposits in the southern Athabasca region of Alberta using steam assisted gravity drainage, or SAGD, technology. Its key project is the Christina Lake oilsands development.

SAGD oilsands companies pipe steam underground to melt thick tar-like oilsands deposits. The oil is then collected through a second pipeline and pumped to the surface.

MEG said it expects to spend $1 billion on capital projects this year, with the majority invested in the company’s strategic plan to increase bitumen production capacity to 260,000 daily production.

Killed-by-cop probe done: Prosecutors now hold file on Montreal double-shooting

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

MONTREAL – Quebec provincial police have completed their probe of a Montreal police shooting that left two people dead last June – including an innocent bystander on his way to work.

They have given the file to Quebec’s director of criminal prosecutions to determine whether charges will be laid against Montreal police officers.

In a case that made national headlines and prompted an angry anti-police march, officers shot a homeless man during a public disturbance last June, while their gunfire also struck a man who was arriving for work at a nearby hospital.

Montreal police say they were called as a knife-wielding homeless man tossed garbage around downtown Montreal.

Mario Hamel, 40, a mentally ill man who lived in a downtown shelter, was shot after police cornered him, ordered him to drop his weapon and pepper-sprayed him.

Patrick Limoges, a passerby on his way to work, was also killed in the shooting. The 36-year-old was across the street when he was struck by a police bullet.

In Quebec, it is customary when a police force is involved in a shooting that another force is brought in to handle the investigation.

The debate over who should be leading those investigations was rekindled this summer following the shootings.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

Public Security Minister Robert Dutil confirmed recently he intends to table legislation that will bring in a civilian oversight body to take over that task.

Critics have argued that a police force investigating another force lacks transparency.

Now, it will be up to the Crown to determine whether charges are laid against the police officers.

“We’ll have to study the file and if there’s a charge, but it’s too soon for now,” Crown attorney Jean-Pascal Boucher said Wednesday.

“It won’t be settled in a few days. We need to do an in-depth study.”

Montreal police have remained mostly mum on the case.

But in a recent interview with The Canadian Press, police chief Marc Parent called it an “exceptional” case and reaffirmed his condolences to the families of the two victims.

“It’s always difficult for everyone involved, the family, friends as well as the police that are involved,” Parent said.

“We’re never left indifferent by these events and we always try to look at how we do things and what we can learn from these operations – how we can do it better.”

A provincial police spokeswoman said Wednesday that force had no further comment about the case.

Air Canada may be protecting bottom line by abandoning appeal, say experts

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

MONTREAL – Air Canada’s decision to abandon a legal challenge of an arbitration ruling with one of its unions may win it some labour goodwill, but the ultimate goal is to preserve the airline’s bottom line, industry observers said Wednesday.

“The last thing that Air Canada needs at this point is more negativity. The whole issue of challenging the pension ruling just optically didn’t look good,” said Robert Kokonis of airline consulting firm AirTrav Inc.

With the economy souring and the key holiday period approaching, the national carrier could ill afford to scare off potential customers amidst a threat of disruptions by customer service workers represented by the CAW union, he said.

The customer service agents represented by the Canadian Auto Workers were the first of Air Canada’s major unionized groups to reach a collective agreement in the current round of contract negotiations.

The deal included a provision to send the difficult issue of pension reform to an arbitrator for what was intended to be a binding resolution.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

Air Canada’s original plan to challenge the arbitrator’s ruling unsettled not only the CAW, but also a hard-won agreement with the Canadian Union of Public Employees – which had agreed to abide by the arbitrator’s decision as well.

Kokonis said Air Canada’s (TSX:AC.B) brand could have been tarnished for several months until case against the CAW arbitration was heard by the Federal Court and Ontario divisional court.

Chief executive Calin Rovinescu said Tuesday the airline would abandon its judicial review “to create a climate of stability so that the company can move forward.”

The move came after he had a telephone conversation with Canadian Auto Workers president Ken Lewenza, who had threatened major disruptions.

Kokonis said more negativity at this point would create a snowball effect for the travelling public.

“As the snowball gets larger and the more the public hears about labour instability as Christmas is coming up, there is a real danger of seeing a material impact.”

Air Canada’s flight attendants union said the airline’s decision to abandon the judicial review brings relief for all bargaining groups.

“I would hope that Air Canada does want to forge peaceful times with the unions and the employees. It has been a rough go,” said CUPE national representative Daniela Scarpelli.

The head of Air Canada’s machinists union, whose members handle aircraft repairs and maintenance and baggage transport, said he was disgusted by the judicial review, calling it ridiculous.

“There was no common sense to that decision so who knows why they came to their senses,” Chuck Atkinson, district chairman of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers said from Ottawa.

The Machinists union resumes negotiations next week with eight days of talks.

Atkinson doesn’t believe the arbitration rulings for customer service agents or flight attendants will set precedents for his union’s members.

It doesn’t accept a two-tier wage system for new hires and opposes a hybrid pension model favoured by the CAW and CUPE.

“We have a separate proposal that we think will meet the needs of the company and the union guys that’s not the hybrid plan.”

The company has put a low-cost carrier on the bargaining table, but the key issues for the Machinists is money. Like other workers, they want to recoup losses from the airline’s 2003 bankruptcy protection and 2009 wage freeze.

And it’s prepared to fight back, possibly through a legal challenge, if Labour Minister Lisa Raitt threatens back-to-work legislation to prevent a strike, Atkinson said.

“We are there to get a deal, to move forward for our members, and we would not like to have a disruption in service but we’ll do what we have to do.”

Air Canada faces intense competition from lower-cost WestJet (TSX:WJA) and Porter Airlines, along with charter operators such as Transat A.T. (TSX:TRZ.B) and Sunwing.

Ian Lee, who teaches strategic management at Carleton University, said Air Canada likely miscalculated when it launched the legal challenge.

But it faces the daunting challenges of an unfunded pension liability exceeding $2 billion, low margins and intense competition.

“I think that they decided from a rational, strategic point of view that going to judicial review on the pensions was not good for their bottom line,” he said in an interview.

Just the noise about possible disruptions – even without a strike – could have affected bookings and further eroded its relationship with customers, added George Smith, a former Air Canada director of employee relations and fellow at Queen’s University.

“If you’re running a fragile business and a highly competitive one…you’ve got a lot of pressure without adding the pressure of labour unrest to the travelling public’s thought about whether and when they travel.”

He said the airline may have been trying, through the legal challenge, to send a message to the flight attendants arbitrator to stay within the bounds of their jurisdiction.

The airline has found itself in a difficult position by having a pension ruling it can’t afford, which now serves as a precedent for other labour groups, he said.

“It’s a little hard after that milk has been spilt to scoop it back into the glass.”

Air Canada’s pilots will return to the bargaining table in the fall after previously rejecting a tentative agreement.

On the Toronto Stock Exchange, Air Canada’s shares closed down two cents to $1.32 in Wednesday trading.

Algonquin drops pursuit of Western Wind; ends agreement with major shareholder

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

OAKVILLE, Ont. – A possible takeover bid for Western Wind Energy Corp. (TSXV:WND) has fallen by the wayside.

Algonquin Power & Utilities Corp. (TSX:AQN) said Wednesday that it was no longer interested in pursuing discussions or conducting due diligence on Western Wind, a Vancouver-headquartered renewable energy producer with operations in California and Arizona.

“Accordingly, the lock-up agreement APUC previously entered into with a significant shareholder of Western Wind has been terminated,” Algonquin said in a brief news release.

Earlier this month, Western Wind announced it had formed a formed a special committee to deal any takeover bid by Algonquin and to explore alternatives.

The announcement by Western Wind came amid round of sparring between the two companies over what Algonquin had described as merely a “non-binding expression of interest.”

Oakville, Ont.,-based Algonquin, which has some $1.1 billion of power generating and water utility assets in North America, had said it wanted to determine whether “an opportunity exists to increase shareholder value.”

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

In a news release issued last week, it said discussions had been held with a number of Western Wind’s largest shareholders regarding a potential $2.50 per share bid and that it was confident they would support such an initiative. Such a bid would value Western Wind at more than $127 million.

Western Wind issued a news release on the same day saying Algonquin had entered into a lock-up agreement with one shareholder holding 18.6 per cent of the company.

“We have clearly stated to Algonquin, through its adviser, that the management and board cannot support any bid below that of the independent valuators,” the company said at the time.

It accused Algonquin of going beyond a casual approach, saying that “locking up a major shareholder and continually soliciting large shareholders without the rest of the shareholders’ knowledge is contrary to the public’s interest.”

Western Wind is a vertically integrated renewable energy producer that owns more than 500 wind turbines and a solar field with 165 megawatts of rated capacity either in production or in construction in California and Arizona. It also has development assets for both solar and wind energy in California, Arizona, and Ontario, as well as in Puerto Rico.

Occupy Nova Scotia gets eviction notice as mayor wants space for Remembrance Day

Sunday, August 12th, 2018

HALIFAX – Occupy Nova Scotia protesters mulled their options Wednesday after getting an eviction notice to leave the public square in front of Halifax City Hall.

Mayor Peter Kelly wants the group to move to another space by the early evening of Nov. 6 so the Grand Parade can be cleaned up and readied for ceremonies marking Remembrance Day and Kristallnacht in Germany when more than 30,000 Jews were arrested by the Nazis in 1938.

Protest spokesman Stuart Caldwell said the mayor’s directive came as a bit of a surprise and they haven’t worked out a response yet.

“We’re sort of waiting to see how this is going to play out. We’ve discussed it at great lengths and at this point we are exploring our options,” said Caldwell.

He said the protesters want to speak to city officials to see if a compromise can be reached over the patchwork collection of tents pitched in front of city hall. About 70 people have been camping out peacefully in the square, which is home to the city’s cenotaph, for the past two weeks.

Story continues below

HangZhou Night Net

Kelly said the city needs the Grand Parade to meet obligations to veterans for Remembrance Day and for the Dignity Day Ceremony on Nov. 9, which marks Kristallnacht, also known as the Night of the Broken Glass. At least 2,000 deaths were directly or indirectly attributable to the attacks.

He has offered the protesters space on the Halifax Commons, a large park that’s about a 20-minute walk away.

“We’re not trying to shut them down. We’re offering up another venue not too far from here with a high profile and a lot of traffic,” said Kelly.

“They’ve been very respectful and responsible in the past. We’re hoping that continues.”

Kelly wouldn’t speculate on what would happen if the protesters decide to stay.

“We’re in no hurry. That’s why we’ve given them lots of time.”

The demonstration is one of many around the world based on the Occupy Wall Street movement, which denounces corporate greed and economic inequality.

Jean Marie Deveaux, president of the Nova Scotia-Nunavut Command of the Royal Canadian Legion, said she hopes the protesters take the mayor up on his offer.

“The protest is very peaceful and I’m sure that they will take their tents and go over to the Commons out of respect for the veterans,” said Deveaux.

“I really can’t see them staying there with their tents because we’ll have about 5,000 people there.”

Deveaux said they would likely have to find a different venue if the tents remain.

“It’s not a viable option because of the considerable preparation work that’s involved. The sheer logistics of moving people. … Grand Parade is not that big a space.”

Caldwell said the protesters would weigh everything before making a decision.

“It’s not impossible to move but we’re just really more enthused about staying here because of the symbolic nature of the parade square. You can see the banks behind us.”

Caldwell said they have spoken to police and military officials about ways to share the space that would address everyone’s needs.